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Waleed Aly & Naomi Klein - Our entanglements have been exposed

The In-Between  /  EP08
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On the precipice of a new age, what are the forces that will bring us together, and what is driving us apart? Simon Longstaff sits between Waleed Aly and Naomi Klein as they discuss the decline of meta-narratives in society and politics, reconciling coloniser and Indigenous histories and narratives, and trends of hyper-individualism and conspiracy. Neither are wholly optimistic nor pessimistic about the future that lies ahead.

Delve even deeper into the speakers and themes discussed in this episode:

Naomi Klein: Capitalism and the climate (FODI 2014)

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The way that we talk about realising the most perfect version of our lives always seems to be about breaking bonds. If I effectively have no bonds restraining me, I have nothing that that binds me.
Waleed Aly
The denial of the climate crisis has now extended into a denial of everything that is inconvenient to one’s belief system or one’s everyday habits… It’s a kind of a designer reality to fit your personal proclivities.
Naomi Klein

Waleed Aly

Waleed Aly is a broadcaster, lawyer, academic and Walkley Award-winning journalist. He is currently a co-host of Network Ten’s The Project and Radio National’s The Minefield. A lecturer in politics at Monash University, Aly is currently working in their Global Terrorism Research Centre. His social and political commentary has resulted in an award-winning book and he appears in newspapers such as The Guardian, The Australian, The Sunday Times of India, The Australian Financial Review, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.


Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist, New York Times bestselling author and Senior Correspondent for The Intercept. From 2018-2021 she was the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair at Rutgers University and is now Honorary Professor of Media and Climate at Rutgers. In September 2021 she joined the University of British Columbia as UBC Professor of Climate Justice.  In 2016, she was awarded the Sydney Peace Prize.