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Lee Vinsel & Tyson Yunkaporta

The In-Between  /  EP03 — A gradual decline into disorder
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Lee Vinsel and Tyson Yunkaporta speak with Ann Mossop about the passing age, apocalypses, and the cyclical nature of eras. Their conversation is anchored in language: both speak of systems, entropy, the roles of maintainers or custodians, and the machines and languages of capitalism. Tyson explains entropy by connecting an incident of Aboriginal people spearing Dutchmen centuries ago to the modern-day experiences of colonialism, and Lee speaks of entropy as the natural breaking down of systems.

Delve even deeper into the speakers and themes discussed in this episode:

Lee Vinsel: Innovation Fetish (FODI 2016)

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Apocalypses are something that we do well as a species, as a custodial species
Tyson Yunkaporta
When it comes to a lot of these environmental crises, including climate change at this point, we’ve known for decades where we’re heading and what the problem is. And we haven’t been able to get our act together and really push for change.
Lee Vinsel

Lee Visel

Lee Vinsel is an Associate Professor of Science, Technology, and Society at Virginia Tech. He has written broadly about the role of technology in business and everyday life, including his two latest books, The Innovation Delusion: How our obsession with the new disrupts the work that matters most (2020) and Moving Violations: Automobiles, experts, and regulations in the United States (2019). His work has appeared in The New York Times, Aeon, The Washington Post, The American Historical Review, and many other scholarly and popular publications.

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Tyson Yunkaporta

Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk. His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.

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